Moderator: Welcome to tonight's special event: "Stabilizers, Everything you wanted to know - Part 2 of 4" with Fred Lebow of HTC Products
Alan is on the stage.
FLebow is on the stage.
Alan: Welcome to tonight's special event.
Alan: Tonight's special event will start with a 30 minute interview, then we will open it up for questions from the audience for the second half hour.
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Alan: Throughout the event all questions submitted to the stage, will go to an off screen moderator, to allow for grouping of questions.
Alan: Our guest tonight is Fred Lebow with HTC Products
Alan: Tonight we are going to discuss:
Alan: "Stabilizers, Everything you wanted to know - Part 2 of 4"
Alan: Welcome Fred
FLebow: thanks alan
Alan: Last week's chat is available, if you go to the Embroidery Industry calendar, on the Emb. Mall and click on last week's date
Alan: This week we are continuing our discussion on Stabilizers
Alan: So where do we begin this week Fred?
FLebow: We ended up w a 3 oz wet laid cutaway being the next to beststabilizer available
Alan: and discussed the merits of using a single layer
Alan: a single proper layer.. that is
FLebow: One layermshould or could hold 30,000 stitches or moer w many qualifications of course
FLebow: On a properly digitized design one layer of the proper weight of a non directional wet laid non woven is all you need'
FLebow: Perhaps we should go to the wet laid screen
Alan: coming up
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FLebow: A non diretional wet laid non woven one layer of the proper wieght for your stitch count and density and for the weight and strech of your matl
FLebow: should be all you need
FLebow: We discussed how cutaways have longer fibers allowing the threads to wrap tighter
FLebow: therby goving better definition
FLebow: So the heaviest a 3 oz dense soft vutaway is a Wonderful stabilizer the next to best that there is
Alan: I'm not sure I know the # of the backings... is a 3oz heavy?
FLebow: Yes quite heavy
Alan: what is a "normal" weight then?
FLebow: 3 ozs means 3 ozs per sq yd It is wquite haecy and dense - for high stitch counts
FLebow: But you do nneed a dstabilizer esp on a shirt
FLebow: You also need something that will hold the stitches tight before and after washing
FLebow: The No Show mesh is the closes thing that there is to no backing
FLebow: Some people mistakenly call it oplymesh
FLebow: It is a misnomer
FLebow: Triciot organza and tulle are lumped together under the name polymesh and moe are multidirectionally stable
FLebow: So the no sow meh os 100% embossed nylon
FLebow: While in a molten for an embossing roller comes over and gives it t6he patter
FLebow: It is solely for STABILITY
FLebow: When we first came out w it I was doing biz w OESD
FLebow: They asked me what it was and I said 100% nylon embosssed .blahablah blah
FLebow: Next day tgh\hey ran a big ad claed it Polymesh
FLebow: I did not care untiil recently when I redeveloped and cjange some things I figuresdw e should call it what is is No Sh;pw nylon mesh
FLebow: Alan can we go to that web page?
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Alan: I'm at the no-show mesh page now...
FLebow: I specifically made ours heavier thanothers on the market and more multi directionally stable
FLebow: One single layer was designed for a left chest application
FLebow: Ypou do NOT see it or feel it
FLebow: It is made in wht Bllk and beige
FLebow: One layer is all you should need fo r 6-8,000 stitches soft and sheer
Alan: I notice on the web page it can also be used to bond the under side after stitching....
FLebow: Made in beifge wht and blk they are alos made in fusible iron on versions in colrs
FLebow: Yes the fusible was developrefd for 2 reasons
FLebow: Mainly for thje home market
Alan: would this be especially helpful when using metallic threads?
FLebow: For the back of scratchy stitches onj a onesie or baby balnket
FLebow: Use a LOW iron setting
FLebow: Howevere it can also be used a a regular cutaway and to eliminate adhesive sprays
FLebow: Fuse it w a loww iron setting Stich away
FLebow: After stitcjing carefully go back and refuse the edges carefully and trim
FLebow: ok
FLebow: any ???'s
Alan: how does it compare in pricing to normal backing?
FLebow: a litle more expensive than a midweight cutaway
FLebow: But
FLebow: worth it for quality
Moderator: Audience member says: "How many stitches is the sample for the no show mesh?"
FLebow: If you take 2 ;layers and cross pattern them I have Viking educator who pounds 100M stitches into 2 layers croosswise for Xmas ornaments
Moderator: Audience member says: "is all of the no show fusable? or are there different types?"
FLebow: Blk whte and biege in fusible and non fusible versions
Moderator: Audience member says: "Can the no show mesh also be used as a iron on over the stitching on the back so the stitches won't be scratchy?"
FLebow: Eggactly wty it was first developed
Moderator: Audience member says: "Is there a problem with using 3 oz as the standard backing of choice?"
FLebow: Perfect for the back of stitches
FLebow: No Do NOT overstabilize
FLebow: If you are doing a low stitch count 1 2 oz or 2.5 would siffice
FLebow: If you do not want to see tha backing shadow or show thru mesh is your best bet
Alan: what problems do you have if you "over-stabilize... other than cost?
FLebow: There are many other strange stabilizers out there
FLebow: A bullet proof vest efect
FLebow: I was always Quite concerned w drapability as i originally dealt w interklinings
Moderator: Audience member says: "The questions about how many stitches are in the sample on the web set was not answered. Is it a true representative?"
FLebow: There is a WONDERUL new water solubl;e non woven for lace that is betyte rthan any film stabilizer
FLebow: The web site ducks are by Nancy Skel;ton of Fox Island Emb 12,000 maybe I am not certain
FLebow: I have swatches and 3 shirts from my friend Nancy
Moderator: Audience member says: "So, then at 12,000 stitches, this no show stabelizer supports that well?"
FLebow: Try it yourself Everyone does things differently We will send samople happily
FLebow: just e-mail mwe privately
Moderator: Audience member says: "so is the weight of the stableizer based entirely on stitch count or on fabric being embellished?"
FLebow: Does anyone use film stabilizers Badgemaste Super Solvy etc????
FLebow: Both stuitch count stitch density - and the weight and stretch of your materila determine the wt of the stabilizer
FLebow: Do your own tests
FLebow: Agai we will gladly send samples
FLebow: Film stabilizers and toppings are what i am working on now
FLebow: Fibers hold stitches NOT film
FLebow: We will have a few surprises this year
Moderator: Audience member says: "I use fil stabelizers all the time"
FLebow: Which iones and what for?
Moderator: Audience member says: "is the no show stable in all directions?"
FLebow: ALmost Ours is heavier and more stable than others 2 layers cross patterned - wow
Moderator: Audience member says: "No particular brand...mainly for topping - towels blankets, etc, anything with a loft.or texture."
FLebow: Ok please lets clear this up
FLebow: Toppings are NOT stabilizers
FLebow: They are NOT multidirectionally stable
FLebow: As a topping to keep the stitches raised - great
FLebow: As a stabilizer No way
Alan: so you should use both then?
FLebow: All of the topppings are more or less the same no matter what they call it
FLebow: Hospital dissolv laundr bags are made by thesame mills that make the toppings
FLebow: Use a topping only on ahigh pile garmebnt where the stitches will sink in
Moderator: Audience member says: "Do you ever have you're products tested in the field?"
FLebow: Buit in order to embroider you need a giood stabilizer]
FLebow: YEs always
Moderator: Audience member says: "if you use 2 layers do you fuse them together?"
FLebow: It too 6 1/2 yrs tpo develop Wet N Set formerly hyf\dro
FLebow: Fuising together would not huert no slippage
FLebow: What you must acheive in your hoop
FLebow: is a tambourine skin type tension
FLebow: If yor mkaterial moves shiftbounces in any way in tehj hoop you will lose registrationand therefore definition
FLebow: That why people use a loot os adhesive sprays - they are unsure of their hooping
Moderator: Audience member says: "so as to toppings.... all are about the same, so a higher price really doesn't mean better product?"
FLebow: I have spent 18 yrs developing stuff to eliminate the adhesive residue from sparys and peel and stick stabilizers
FLebow: hey are NOT needle firendlty
Moderator: Audience member says: "speaking of adhesive sprays... what are the differences between those for screenprinting and those for embroidery? Other than cost?"
FLebow: BAd typing
FLebow: I do NOTY really know
FLebow: I know that some of the screenpribting sparys are pretty oxic
FLebow: My friend Francois of ODIF makes the 505 it is the best of thenm all for sewing
FLebow: But the fusible mesh and wet n set were develkoped to elimate the need fo many apps
FLebow: I will be looking for testers real soon on 2 new prods
Alan: if anyone is interested in being a tester... should they email you?
FLebow: I strive to do something different to make it better and easier to embroider - to at least simplify the stabilzation issue
FLebow: YES I have a list of guinea pig testers
FLebow: Nancy from Fox Island is one of' em
FLebow: Use the best stabilizer thatyou can Do NOT sacrifice quality
Alan: Well once again that time has arrived to bring this portion of the event to a close.
Alan: If you would like to contact Fred,
Alan: his email is: FLebow@htcproducts.net
Alan: Or through his company's website at:
Alan: http://www.htcwproducts.net
Alan: Fred, thanks for being with us tonight.
Alan: That is the conclusion of tonight's event, a transcript will be posted to the Embroidery Industry Calendar within the hour.
FLebow: Thanks
FLebow: Alan and everyone
Alan: Next week is part 2 of this 4 part series on Stabilizers.
Alan: Thank you for your support of the EmbroideryMall.
Alan: Now everyone back to Latte's
The PalacePresents event "Stabilizers" is over.
Thank you for attending.

Closing Log (June 01, 2004 10:30 PM)

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